Johnny – Yeah, he definitely got an advantage and it’s much clearer from the on-board shots. It’s just such a grey area though isn’t it?

Mair – EIA… I like it

Robasto – Welcome to the site! Another name I haven’t noticed before This thread sure is bringing a lot of heated debate

Caitlin – Hey, another person from the Alonso threads.. good to see you here I love what you said here – “it’s quite clear that Hamilton did not drive a 3rd place race that day”. That’s the perfect summary of events!!

Paul and Andrew – Welcome! I think despite all the perceived Ferrari-bias Lewis and McLaren will probably come out on top still

Robin Stephen – We really do need Alonso in a competitive car or else Lewis will create another era similar to the Schumacher-era. I mean, there are other drivers out there that can put it to him too (Kubica, Vettel), but with Massa, Kimi and Heikki filling the rest of the top cars there doesn’t seem to be much competition.

Will Kimi PLEASE get the fire back!!

Jason – Seems Massa didn’t capitalise on that good qualifying form after all in Monza…

Anyway, I was just giving you a hard time. Your comments are obviously as valid as anyone else’s here…I just thought that you were stating it more like actual fact, than opinion.

P.S. I just saw the Monza qualifying….damn your Massa!

Well and in case you didn’t know, all the top brass investigations calls for some simulating. Haven’t you watched those science channels?? I don’t know about the JFK assassination but the rest of the topics have been simulated or recreated using software’s including Global warming trends, moon landing and Di’s crash. In case you didn’t know, many F1 driver’s play video games to get used to the circuit. Even Alonso did a simulation run through the streets of Valencia before the street race.

Had I known that you had discovered a method to simulate and professionally analyze controversial race footage with your video game system, I would have “checked out” long ago!

What else can you do with that video game? How about simulating the Kennedy assassination, the first moon landing, the Princess Dianna crash scene, those pesky global warming trends and put an end to all these silly controversies.

And for the race, Awesome (with the help of the latter rain)… Only Spa can produce a race like this. Remember the 1996 race still where there was a massive pile-up before the La Rogue on lap 1. Awesome race.

Kimi: The true winner, (Bad luck with the Ferrari in slippery conditions)

Lewis : Lucky with the rain and unlucky not being able to resist temptations.

Massa: “Also ran”, but ended up being the winner ??? . There are 2 classes of Massa. One, when being in front and second, when following.

Alonso: Good job, I shud say but lost a podium in the last gamble.

Heidfeld: Well, Put these guys under pressure and they perform.

The Controversy:
I should honestly say that all the guys who are pissed off with the stewards decision are venting out their feelings here. Check out, There are already more than 20 comments for this race. Great work by dscribe, for adding the second video. That Clearly sums it, I have been a small time racer and a partly technical watcher of F1 for 20 years and there is no doubt that Hamilton made more than 1 mistake in last corner. TV cameras reveal nothing at all!!! But the second video has these clarifications.

Firstly after he had over braked in the last corner and if Lewis had to take the long way, which is the right way he would not have any momentum at all and he would had been at least more than 0.5 sec behind kimi. The last corner is so slow after the final chicane that lowest speed there is about 60 to 80 km/hr. Kimi had to take the chicane in slippery conditions and accelerate(remember, no traction control) and Hamilton had to just cut the chicane and accelerate??? (Does that sound fair?)

Secondly, I tried simulating on my video game and got amazing results. If someone can teach me how to capture the video, I can post it here. Clearly Hamilton was accelerating before he reached the road itself (That calls for a penalty by itself) He was just being so impatient that he didnt let go the throttle but just remained a gear down till Kimi passed him, And then he jumps into 4th gear and starts accelerating into Kimi’s slipstream. NOT FAIR AT ALL!!

All the drivers in the paddock seem to agree that the penalty was fair, as the race stewards didn’t have any time to investigate during the race and the penalty was a standard protocol. Glock was also penalized the same way.

Well, That’s my research. And Niki Lauda is a sports politician now, trying to make many contrasting statements and gaining mileage from them. He comments for almost everything now. No respect lost tho, Great Sir.

And some team principles have their chance now to speak against Ferrari (the team they want to emulate!)… They all know that the penalty was fair…

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/09/11/symonds-questions-penalty-hamilton/

I have just stopped following F1.

It is completely owned and controlled by Ferrari and is a waste of time.
My dad has been saying it for years and I refused to believe him until today.

Oh,and yes,I am qualified to make that statement-I know alot of Italians-my dad is half Italian and half English,(which I guess makes me a quarter )so I know both nationality’s very well.
Ah well, shall have to find something else to do on Sunday evenings now.

I HATE cheats.
Massa almost killed someone in the pit lane last race and he got a petty fine…-today,Kimi actually re-overtook Hamilton twice-and blew the race all by himself.
Why is it that only Mclaren get penilised by points…-because Ferrari and their cronie’s know they won’t stand a chance of winning otherwise…!!

Hamilton will win this year.
Glad Kimi is effectively out now.
Massa hasn’t got the look of a world champion…-he looks like a loser-, but that’s it-I really don’t give a fcuk, anymore.

Pity,as I have been watching F1 for 30 odd years- I have finally had enough.

However, I think the penalty is ridiculous and if McLaren’s appeal gives the win back to Hamilton, I would not be surprised nor dissatisfied.
After all, it’s quite clear that Hamilton did not drive a 3rd place race that day, cutting a chicane or no.